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Guitar tabs for piano scores?

Hey all,

I've used Guitar Pro 5 for quite a while, and I was completely blown away with what I could create musically, without years of practice in music. This was mainly because everything (string, guitars, pianos, drums) were brought back to guitar tablature.

With guitar Pro 6, this time around you can choose if you want Slash, Guitar Tabs or Standard Tablature as was indicated on the GP6-website. Unfortunately, this only goes for Guitar, since Piano provides solely Standard Tablature, the other options are greyed out. Point is, I can't read Standard Tablature, and without this in GP6, I can't make a single song including piano anymore.

I hope this could be included once more, since I'm really dependent on Guitar Tablature; it is GUITAR Pro after all. I'm aware of the fact that a guitar doesn't have the tonal reach of a piano.

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  • Romain (Community Manager) August 25, 2010 08:46
    In GP5, tablature was always offered, no matter the type of track. For that reason, it was impossible to write properly for a number of instruments -- such as the piano, since GP5 did not offer any "grand staff". Furthermore, the piano's notes could not always be placed on the guitar's fretboard (the piano's range being wider than the guitar's). Finally, it limited the possible number of simultaneous notes to 6 or 7 only, due to the number of strings on a guitar.
    GP6 solves that problem by adapting the type of notation to the type of instrument. This allows you to obtain scores that are visually correct for all instruments, and which sound right thanks to the program's defining the transposing key according to the instrument.

    Of course, It is still possible to use GP6 like GP5. You just need to create guitar tracks only, and change the type (sound) of the instrument in the Instrument panel (choose piano, for instance), as well as the possible effect in the Effects panel.

    You can then create an actual piano track if you need one, and use copy/paste to place your notes on it.
    The reverse is possible too: If you open a GPX file with a piano track that you would like to play on the guitar, simply create a guitar track and copy/paste the notes from the piano track onto it. GP6 will automatically work out the transposition.

    Lastly, you may ask GP6, via the "Preferences" window, to force the transposition of non-fretted instruments into guitar tracks by default, when you open GP3/4/5 files. That way, you will get tablatures for every track, guitar or not.
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  • Romain (Community Manager) September 17, 2010 07:35
    Hi Matias,
    That is because the range of the guitar is not that of a piano, so the tablature notation just simply does not cover it. You can work around the lack of tabs for piano tracks by copying and pasting, but basically piano tabs just do not work unless they have been somewhat edited for a guitar's specific range.
    • I know the ranges are not the same. But for example, in GP5 I often create light, simple string ensemble tracks for support and to give some air. I don't *need* the whole range of a piano in that scenario. What I was asking was, why not just enable the tab tickbox upon creating a new track, and in that case, have the program build a GP5 style "limited range" track. Then it would no longer need a workaround, and it would speed up creating things for those of us that like to use our everyday programs fast.

      Well, I guess I could just learn to write notation efficiently and be done with it. :D
    • I'm not really familiar with standard notation but it is quite easy to do basic stuff... If the black circle is above another, the note is higher :).
      It's even more logical than guitar tabs, as one note has only one notation (ok, almost).
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  • I agree with Matias, it is obvius that the range is different, but me as an example... I don't know much of standard, so I always used tablature on GP5, when I needed higher or lower notes than a guitar, I would simply add a 7th string on the tablature, and change the tuning of the first string to something high enough, and the 7th string to something low enough... and BAM! it is done! I have the range I need!

    I think this is the kind of thing that requires a bit more imagination of you guys... GP6 is great, but as said above... it is GUITAR (G-U-I-T-A-R) pro... not every guitar player is familiar with standard notation...

    Think about this idea I said... a 'B' note, will always be a 'B' note, so the person who is using the software, changes the tuning of the tablature on a piano track, and the software creates the standard notation for the piano... simple, easy, and everyone is happy!

    Of course not talking only about pianos...

    I used to do a lot of things using the 'String Ensemble' on GP5, and now that I moved on to GP6 I had to edit EVERYTHING because it changed to a violin...
    But... I always thought the 'String Ensemble' were the 'Strings' sound of a normal keyboard...

    Anyway, for most of my compositions, ALL of the tracks, but bass and drums, are the guitar tracks changing the sounds to piano, cello, violins, and so on...

    I really liked GP6, worth every cent I paid for... but this one thing is pretty annoying if you ask me... great software, but got a bit more complicated than what I was so used to.
    • Hum... Again, I don't understand what people have against standard notation (don't get me wrong : I'm not really good with that notation, just learned it a little at school many years ago). This notation is not harder to write (to read it's another issue) and it's probably far easier to write than having to add strings or change tuning just to have the notes you want (never tried, but it sounds like a lot of work comparing to placing the note at the right place in the standard notation...). And standard notation is much more logical than tab (although a little harder to read, I agree).

      Yes it is "Guitar" Pro... But you're writting a piano track ;)

      That's just a comment... I'm not against having the tab notation available for all instruments (although I understand the reason why it's not implemented)
    • Yes killergege... I understand what you're trying to say, I don't have anything against standard notation... not at all!

      It is just frustrating that the ONLY way is with the standard notation, and no, learning standard notation is not easier than changing the tune of the tabs only once in the whole song...

      The thing is not to remove the standard, but to give the option to the ones who prefers the tab way to write... :)

      P.S: My comment on the "Guitar" Pro is not about the piano tracks.. just that the software has a name that aims to GUITAR players... it is not PIANO pro ... ;) please read again:

      """... it is GUITAR (G-U-I-T-A-R) pro... not every guitar player is familiar with standard notation...
      ...
      Of course not talking only about pianos..."""
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  • I’m done
    People! Read the first comment of an Arobas Employee, Romain, and come to the conclusion that building a piano track isn't all that different in GP6...

    Layman's terms: In GP5, everything started as guitar, but sounded like the MIDI-sounds you attached to it.
    GP6 has different instruments, which act the way you'd think these instuments act; including writing scores. To use a piano like you used to in GP5 requires you to start a guitar track (even add a 7th string or capo to increase pitch) and change the sound to piano. Just like you did in GP5.

    This problem has been solved.
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    I started this thread, so I like the discussion of this idea, but the solution solves the problem for 100%.

    They can't add the guitar notation to the standard piano, but maybe they could make a new instrument under piano (when you add an instrument), the piano with guitar notation, that automatically creates a guitar with piano sounds.

    After all, what you said, it's GUITAR pro, so every instrument should be usable by beginning guitarists.
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  • I’m hopeful!
    Killergege - I understand your point and I'm not trying to pick a fight at all. But really, if your lick is going on around like the 20th frets of the highest strings it's faster to write in tabulature instead of counting up to the zillionth extra ledger line or hassling with octave shift markings etc.

    I agree totally with Kaio. Give the *option* for both, don't remove either. Professional programs are professional because of their versatility, and this is... *drum roll* Guitar P-R-O. ;)

    And also, what Dennis suggested sounds good, it would quicken up the procedure.
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  • How can I enter a chord into GP5 where differnt tones have different values, e.g.
    for a c triad what if the c is a who note, the e is a half note followed by some other 1/2 note and the g is a 1/4 note followed by other notes wich add up to 3 beats.

    Expanded version of this question... Can I enter and display both the bass and treble piano parts where in each hand there are multiple tones/notes ( I've understood chords are limited to 6 or 7 notes due to that being the number os strings on a guitar..is that true.

    Are the answers to my questons different in GP6?
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